Tuesday, May 13, 2008

Switch Your Hot-Tub to Hydrogen Peroxide

The drawbacks of traditional chlorine-based (bromide) Hot-Tub water sanitization methods are legion; the necessary chemicals are expensive, complicated, smelly, and really drying to the skin. But with a little pre-planning you can sanitize your Hot-Tub water with Hydrogen Peroxide (H2O2) instead of all those other chemicals. Save money, save your skin, and save having to perform all sorts of unnecessarily complicated water treatments.

I recently switched our 1558 Liter (410 US Gallon) Coast Hot-Tub over to Hydrogen Peroxide and I couldn't be happier with the results. The tub is easier to maintain, doesn't have that 'chemically smell' it used to have, and my entire family noticed being in the Hot-Tub no longer dries out their skin but leaves it feeling smooth and soft. We'll never go back to chlorine!

Now, Hydrogen Peroxide won't be an option for you if you don't get your water from a municipal water supply that chlorinates it. So if you get your water from a well or directly from a lake or river WITHOUT chlorination you'll have to stick with bromide. But the relatively low levels of chlorination provided by virtually all municipal water supplies is adequate and, since most people are on municipal water, Hydrogen Peroxide is an alternative for almost all Hot-Tub owners.

WHAT YOU WILL NEED
- 35% Technical Grade Hydrogen Peroxide
- Polyethylene Containers for Hydrogen Peroxide
- Hydrogen Peroxide Test Strips
- Clean Hot-Tub Filter(s)
- Glass measuring cup - 250 Ml (1 cup)
- Protective Gloves and Eye-wear

Obviously you'll need Hydrogen Peroxide. It is available in various concentrations and grades but for Hot-Tub use we want 35% Technical Grade. Depending on where you live, getting it can be tricky. I live in Kitchener, Ontario, Canada and, fortunately, in the neighboring city of Guelph there is a supplier who not only sells 35% Technical Grade Hydrogen Peroxide and all of the other supplies I need but offers free delivery to my area. In fact, Bob Simpson of SUPERFAST SOLUTIONS (www.superfastsolutions.com) has been a terrific source of information as well. If you aren't fortunate enough to live in Bob's delivery area try doing a web search for Hydrogen Peroxide suppliers in your area, you might get lucky and find Bob's counterpart near you. If not, you can investigate shipping your supplies from somewhere else, but the shipping charges will put your costs up a bit.

The minimum quantity of 35% Technical Grade Hydrogen Peroxide that Bob sells is 20 Liters (5 US Gallons). It costs me CDN$60 and, for a Hot-Tub our size, I figure is about a one year supply. Although the Hydrogen Peroxide comes in a blue polyethylene container with an attachable spigot, it weighs 26 KG (57 Lbs) and that seemed rather unwieldy to me so I also ordered five 4.5 Liter (1 US Gallon) polyethylene jugs for storage.

Hydrogen Peroxide Test Strips are plastic strips with a reactive pad on one end, similar to the test strips you are probably using currently to check Chlorine, Alkalinity and pH levels. The strips measure Hydrogen Peroxide from 0 to 100 parts per million (PPM). Bob sells me test strips for CDN$40 for a 50 pack.

When you first start using Hydrogen Peroxide, organic material that has accumulated in your Hot-Tub's pipes, pumps and tubes are going to circulate so starting out with a clean filter is advisable. Be prepared to replace or clean it frequently, at least at first.

You'll need to measure the Hydrogen Peroxide and since glass is non-reactive to it, a glass measuring cup is a good choice. And protective gloves and eye-wear should always be used when handling corrosive materials.

SHOCKING
Though Hydrogen Peroxide can exist quite safely in water already treated by chlorine, bromide and the other chemicals I was already using, to enjoy the benefit of unclouded, fresh-smelling, non-drying water I chose to make the switch when I was planning to replace the Hot-Tub water and I strongly suggest you do the same.

Once you've drained and refilled your Hot-Tub (and put in a clean filter), shock it by adding 250 ml (1 cup) of Hydrogen Peroxide for every 1000 liters (250 US Gallons) of water.

Let the Hot-Tub stand for one day with the circulation pump running intermittently. After that, check your filter and clean or replace it as necessary.

MAINTENANCE
Use the test strips frequently to check the level of Hydrogen Peroxide until you pick up the pattern of how much Hydrogen Peroxide to add and when to add it. Check at least once per week after that.

When the level drops below 50 PPM add 250 ml (1 cup) of Hydrogen Peroxide per 2000 Liters (500 US Gallons) of water in the tub - this is half the quantity you used to originally shock the water.

Maintain the level between 50 and 100 PPM (it isn't dangerous to exceed 100 PPM but it is unnecessary).

Remember to check and clean or replace the filter frequently.

SAFETY AND STORAGE TIPS
Undiluted 35% Hydrogen Peroxide is corrosive, toxic and can be fatal if swallowed. Keep it out of the reach of children and never use unlabeled or improperly labeled containers. Use child-proof caps on all containers. I used an indelible ink marker to label my storage jugs: "DANGER! H2O2 - DO NOT TOUCH".

Hydrogen Peroxide also reacts to sunlight and becomes more active at higher temperatures so store it in a cool dark place. I put my supply on a bottom shelf in the basement on top of a plastic sheet. The shelf is behind a door and I installed a hasp and lock on the door for additional security. I also keep the measuring cup, gloves and safety glasses on the same shelf and I only measure the Hydrogen Peroxide outside when I am about to add it to the Hot-Tub.

If you accidentally spill it on skin, flush the area immediately with running water. If it is accidentally swallowed, drink large quantities of water, remain upright and call a doctor or poison control agency at once.

In case of accidental spillage, flush the area with water to dilute. Don't return any spilled Hydrogen Peroxide to its container and keep undiluted Hydrogen Peroxide from going into the sewage system. Report any spills as required by Federal, Provincial/State or local regulations.

If you are using a spigot to dispense Hydrogen Peroxide leave it in place until the container is empty. Removing and replacing the spigot can cause lint or dust to contaminate it.

With a little pre-planning and some common sense you can safely switch your Hot-Tub water sanitization over to Hydrogen Peroxide and not only save money on the multitude of expensive chemicals you are currently using but also have an over-all better Hot-Tubbing experience.

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Anonymous said...

That is extremely rude, king Kong. We are not lazy,as stated,we have been researching for months& I was actually very happy & impressed by this blog-by it's content(which I did read from the beginning!)& information. I was also under the impression that someone might have suggestions if they had our experience. I did not see anything in the previous comments,so I thought I would ask since most people seem to have years of experience. Your comment was not helpful & it seems as if you have no interest in answering any questions. I must have misunderstood the point of this blog.

Elyse said...

We've been using Spa Safia peroxyde since a month and a half. Our water is now crystal clear all the time, Everytime we open the cover we are amazed! We just can't believe we finally found something that works. For some reasons, the other kind of regular 29% and 35% we bought around here haven't work for us. We just don't know why. Maybe it was the stabilizant in the peroxyde What ever the amount in the water we would put, it just get blurry, milky, with white things floating. It was probably dissipating way too fast. For those living in Québec, make some researche on that brand and there is a dealer somewhere aroung you. The closest to us is 1 hour drive...but who cares! We can use our hot tub again! So far, it's about 1 cup/week and water is crystal clear, smell good, no water line, cover is always clean and it's pretty soft for the skin, compare to chlorine. Always check your ph to be around 7 to have your peroxyde works.

Hunter28x said...

Thank the Lord for Canadians who know how to enjoy a spa/hot tub. I live in Las Vegs, Nevada and I have a 260 gal dream maker spa. It is set to run and circulate 2 hours out of every 12 hours. I am using 35% foot grade H2O2. I seem to be adding at least 2 and 3 cups of HP every day. Could I reduce the run time to help use less HP? Would using 35% technical grade HP last longer under my currant conditions? Any tips are appreciated.

Hunter28x said...

My pH test came out at 7.6.

Anonymous said...

Hello I'm switching to HP and had a company install a automatic device that add a preset amount of HP to my 500 gallon hot tub daily. I live in the mountains of Colorado and have well water. The company that installed this device disconnected my Ozanator. He said you don't need it and it interferes with the hydrogen peroxide. After reading this blog it seems like the Ozonator helps.. This company has been in business for over 20 years and this is all they do is install automatic hydrogen peroxide dispensers for a hot tubs. Does anyone have a technical or chemical expertise here and can explain why or why not Ozonator's interferes with hydrogen peroxide? Thanks

Unknown said...

We tried 3 kinds of peroxyde in the last year and only the last one works, the one they sell at a pool. Every peroxide has a stabilisant in it they just dont say what it is. The first two peroxide were making our water turn withish very fast, in 1-2-3 days. The last good one, keeps it sparkling for a week with 1 cup. Just try different peroxide, not just the % , but the brand. And i always have to monitored the PH as well. When its out of range, the water take a special smell and is not as clear.

Unknown said...

So from what we have learned, the kind of stabilisant used in the peroxide might be the reason why some works, some don't. With the bad ones, we would put 1cup a day and makes no differences. Withthegood one, 29%, one cup per week. Really incredible!

Anonymous said...

Ungar International in London sells a 10 KG pail of food grade hydrogen peroxide - concentration of 35%
Just Google them

Unknown said...

Hey Bill, Thank you so much for the information. I am surprised seeing the benefits and soon convert my pool water in to the Hydrogen Peroxide. Here what I am going to suggest people a wonderful online store for quality pool filter cartridges poolfilters.biz

Sandy Staab said...

I tried H2O2 chemestry and kept clogging my filters. After awhile, no amount of cleaning would help. After going through 2 new filters I called the tub tech and he said that H2O2 will eventually destroy your hottub and that the filters are literally melting from the H2O2. My valves all began to stick and some are still frozen a year later. I have a Sundance Tub. I really loved the water on H2O2 and I so much want to use it but now I am afraid I will wreak my tub if I do.

Unknown said...

Just a thought. Does your tub come with a UV light? UV deteriorates peroxide doesn't it?

Unknown said...

Just a thought. I see pink scum in my shower. Could you be introducing this from your soaps in your bath or laundry. Maybe try rinsing without soap bed for getting in and going nude

John said...

Im wodering why my filters are turning orange in just a few days. Level was good and then it tanked.Shocked it with oxyspa and it was good for a few daysand boom went the hell. Its been tough to find anything about peroxide use and its a great idea ( wife has cancer and doesnt need more chemicals in her system) Trying to get this figured out, any help would be great

Unknown said...

Would like to hear what you have to say Kurt Neufeld

Len

Unknown said...

Hi Bill. We recently switched over our hot tub to H20 and we love it! However, we have noticed a "swampy" smell. We thought it might be residual in the pipes and files so we used a product to clean them out and then started with fresh water. However the smell has returned. We thought it might be the PH so we added some vinegar as the test strips indicated but now the water has turned cloudy. Do we need to worry about the PH balance with the H20 solution? Any ideas why our water has turned cloudy? Does the H20 react with the vinegar in some way?

Unknown said...

hello
i would recommend that anyone with a hot tub check out a product call AHH-SOME there is quite abut of in of on the net about it, after researching I believe this is the best way to clean the BIO FILM out of your spa pipes pumps etc.
I purchased a new tub about 11/2 years ago could never keep my chlorine levels up , then eventually had what looked like toilette tissue floating ing my tub . found out this was white mold (BIO FILM) that came with my tub from factory , residual water in the system from testing. This bio film is different than algae , and is not controlled by BROMINE or CHLORINE. i was told by my tub supplier to shock tub with these products.
like the one person was getting pink scum in filters.
Trust me watch the you tube videos on this product it was amazing what came out of my tub when i used this product called AHH_SOME I know it is a cheesy name , but the dam stuff really works
thanks
Garry

John said...

I think I got it! Im keeping my ppm above 100 (closer to 150) and its doing great, clear water and no more orange crap in the filters. Water is 1 1/2 old and still good. Thought I would post update.

Unknown said...

Hey Bill,
We have well water, is there anyway to use chlorine when initially filling the tub and then switch to maintenance with the H202? I really want to make this work...

Barb

Matthew Wiecha said...

Barb,I live in the Sudbury area,I've been using peroxide for 15 years with just WELL WATER.I just purchased a new Arctic Spa,it's almost the 1 year anniversary,same water,crystal clear.After using a third to one half jug on the initial fill,I basically put in a non measured"glug"from the jug after every use,a little more before and after a party crowd,followed the advice of King Kong to put in a quarter cup of Oxy Sparkle(Canadian Tire,non chlorine etc.)every other week,keep your filters clean.So this is my strategy with zero problems,if I encountered something I'd probably just add a bigger glug or two.Good Luck.PS-I forgot,I bought a filter for the end of my hose,for the initial fill and filled it slow for the filter to work"www.puraspafilter.com"

Unknown said...

Thanks Matthew, I live in IL and don't think we have Oxy Sparkle. Is that just a non-chlorine shock? When you say you put in a third to one half jug, is that a gallon jug? That's a lot!

Unknown said...

Would PH down be toxic to the body?
Thanks.

Unknown said...

I realize I have been asking a lot of questions....sorry! Maybe someone can answer this for me. I just received an email from a company I was inquiring with, they told me that if my hot tub has been using chemicals for more than a year, it can be virtually impossible to use H202 since there is so much residual chemical build up in the pipes that it will eat up all my H202. Anyone here have experience with years of chemical use and then switching the same tub to H202? Thanks for helping!

Chris qui blogg said...

Alright so I have been looking into buying a new spa and the nice lady at the store (Club piscine in Quebec 38 stores open 12months with free water tests) told me they were using a new water treatment system that they are selling (obviously) but they were giving a starting pack with the new spa.

Turns out about a bit of research that new "Oxygenia" stuff is actually h2o2 with a powder for floculation of particules in suspension. She told me that every employe in the store switched their spas to this thing.
I havent tried it yet but none of them supposedly had any trouble with their water.

I will try it since it's free and they will test my water as much as I want for free. (they have techs fulltime for that ;) )

I also found out in my research that there are many many types of h2o2 the other blogger was right about that. That would explains why it works flawlessly for some and not at all for others. There's a company in Bécancour Québec that makes over 14 kind of H2o2 for different usage and yes there is one for WATER treatment. ( http://www.arkema.ca/en/markets-and-products/product-portal/product/Peroxal-PF/2/?amp;= )

Last but not least the best overall experience would be with a AOP system. AOP stands for Advanced Oxydation Process In witch Ozone is created in front of a UV light creating hydroxyl radicals (world best non toxic sanitizer) . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxyl_radical

Turns out that H2O2 when exposed to UV changes into those same Radicals without the need for Ozone.

I am over simplifying and be sure to make your own research (youtube as a serious presentation by Haywards specialist) but I think it a serious game changer in the way we live with water (waste management and all) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRRtDUfOJfc

I'll try it without Ozone and if it's not good enough I'll add a ozonator down the road.


Unknown said...

I am able to get 27% H202 locally, which would save me a lot of money on shipping. Is this worth using instead of the 35% and if so do I just treat it the same only use more?

Thanks in advance for any feedback!

Alison. said...

Thanks to everyone – Bill, King Kong Elyse…and everyone else for all of the great info. I just called Bob from Superfast Solutions (Bills initial recommendation) http://www.superfastsolutions.com/ to order my first shipment of H2O2.
They are located in Guelph and deliver free to the golden horseshoe area. Bob was so helpful and offers support for using H2O2 in your hot tub.

I have my fingers crosses – on my way home from work I’m going to pick up some oxy-sparkle and clear it!
Looking forward to chemical free soaking –I’m sure I will be back if I have challenges and need some advice!

rcky mtn gma said...

In reading everyones commments on transitioning from chlorine to hydrogen peroxide, I gained a lot of great information. In speaking to a "spa broker" she discouraged me to transition from chlorine to hydrogen peroxide. She mentioned that the hydrogen peroxide would deteriorate the epoxy on the tub. Does anyone have this problem? Thanks.

tkjtkj said...

Thanks for the info, but you have an error in your conversion:
1 U.S. Gallon = 3.785411784 liters , not the 4.5 L you show ..
and 1 Liter = 0.264172052

giving: 20 L. = 5.28 gal , so you'd need 6 one-US gallon jugs ..


Not a very significant difference, but as they say:
"Facts are Facts" ...
Your article is still very much welcome and helpful!

Anonymous said...

Hi, All.
I have a 268 gallon spa that was purchased in 2009.
We have well water that is provided by our town utility. I live in the northwest and there are a ton of pine needles falling all of the time. The spa is covered except when we are using it.

Can someone please answer the following questions?
1, How much H2O2 would I need to use each week? H2O2 seems kind of expensive.
2, Do I have to worry about the H2O2 breaking down fittings, jets, joints, etc.
3, What other chemicals do I need (calcium hardener, PH decrease, spa shock, defender, etc.)?

Thanks!

tkjtkj said...

you'd want 50 to 100 'parts per million' , and PPM means: milligrams per liter.

So, roughly, let's say 1 gallon is about 4 liters .. your volume is therefore 4 x 270 (or so) liters: = roughly 1080 liters, or

1080 liters x's 50 mg/liter = 54,000 mg , which is 54 grams of H2O2 ...

You can get H2O2 at a concentration of 35% (yes, thirty five percent!) concentration..

that is 35grams per 100 cc , and, as a liter is 1000 cc, that gives 350 grams per liter.

You'd need 54 grams in your 1080 liter tank... .Roughly, that's aBOUT LESS than 200 cc's of 35% H2O2 ... or about 1/5th of a liter in your 1080 liter tub ...

So, check Amazon for prices .. you'll find it NOT that expensive ..

PLUS: you can find " H2O2 Test Strips" cheaply ... Eg, a company called:

SenSafe.com sells this product: "Water-Works Peroxide Check" test strips ( 803-329-0162 ) and these strips come in a plastic bottle for not much money ... They use a 'color change' of the 'active' end of the strip to indicate PPM of H2O2 ..

(Free chlorine in the tub can distort the value the strip shows )

If you use sharp scissors to carefully cut down the center of a strip, the price drops by 50% , really ;))).

(oh, btw: 35% H2O2 MUST BE HANDLED CAREFULLY! INCLUDING GLOVES AND FACE SHIELD!!! DO NOT BE 'CASUAL' ABOUT THIS STUFF !! .. YOU CAN STORE IT IN YOUR REFRIGERATOR BUT DO LOOSEN THE CAP OF THE LITER CONTAINER SO IT DOESN'T 'SPONTANEOUSLY BURST!

95% H2O2 HAS ANOTHER NAME!! : ROCKET FUEL!!! )

SO: if you'd rather use the much-less-risky drugstore 3% solution, just use about 10 times the above volume!!

Sonny said...

Does hydrogen peroxide help remove non-organic matter out of the spa? Stuff such as oil, detergent, cosmetics, lotions, deodorant, dead skin, and sweat etc. Of course we avoid getting the stuff in the tub but sometimes it cannot be avoided. Will hydrogen peroxide take care of keeping the water clear do to inorganic matter? Or do you still have to use oxidizers to keep the water clean?

Jesse said...

We tried using peroxide and it was great for the first week but we started getting white mold.

I will be performing a chlorine super shock (once the h2O2 comes down) to kill the mold and refilling with fresh water.

I will like to say to anyone who is considering switching to H2O2 that its not for beginners.

My water is balanced. PH is about 7.2. Ive kept H2O2 between 100-200ppm.

Just so people are aware H202 is a OXIDIZER not a sanitizer. And for those who are saying to just add Oxy Sparkle (MPS) is just another OXIDIZER. There is nothing doing any Sanitizing.

If people could add all the details to try and help us new to H2O2 get it right would be great.

What size of tub?
What water temp?
What PH level?
How long do filter cycles run during 24hr?
How often are you cleaning/rinsing filters?

If I get this going I will make sure to try and add these details.





Unknown said...

We just moved to an acreage and gained a hot tub! We are determined to try natural options first. We've purchased 35% H2O2 and from all that I've read on this blog and others, our main concern is going to be the lack of chlorine since we have well water. Our water also seems to be very alkaline and naturally has a light green colour (from metals im guessing). We are experimenting with essential oils and a natural plant based cleaner to combat the bacteria. My question is: is green algae bacteria? And if we can identify oils that are antibacterial, could this possibly work?!

Unknown said...

Hi King Kong,
We just took delivery of our brand new spa and we have chosen to use H2O2 however I have been searching to find out if I will still need to worry about the Ph and Alkalinity. If so what products do you use? We have had other spas and have a pool so I am familiar with balancing chemicals. I am just trying to use non toxic chemicals. I use baking soda and acid in my salt pool. However I am wondering if there is something else besides acid. Thank you

Unknown said...

Hi King Kong,
We just took delivery of our brand new spa and we have chosen to use H2O2 however I have been searching to find out if I will still need to worry about the Ph and Alkalinity. If so what products do you use? We have had other spas and have a pool so I am familiar with balancing chemicals. I am just trying to use non toxic chemicals. I use baking soda and acid in my salt pool. However I am wondering if there is something else besides acid. Thank you

Anonymous said...

Good site. Lots of good info. My experience:

I have had my hot tub for 5 years. I try to run it between 400-600 ppm. Recommend taking a quick shower after using hot tub, particularly if you develop some itching. Remeber h2o2 kills both bad bacteria and also good bacteria on your skin so don't submerse wounds in hot tub. Some times it reaches close to 1000ppm with no ill effects if you take a shower. We generally add 1 cup h2o2 every 2 days. I use to use peroxysan however they changed the concentration from 29% to 20%. Cost was getting high. I kept my containers from Peroxysan and now order my stuff in small 55kg drums(35% h202) from Healthnorm.com ($580 including tax and shipping)in Quebec and put it in 14 of my 'old' 4 liter peroxysan containers and am good for 1-2years. This is significantly cheaper. I clean/change my filter every 7-10 days with my garden hose. My 2 filters are now 5 years old and still look in good shape. Once in a while I shock my tub with dichlor when I can't keep the water sparkling clean and I see dirty bubbles. I change the filter and put in 1/2 cup dichlor and run the tub on high speed for 15 minutes with cover closed and air off. Then I open the cover and run tub on high speed with air on in order to get rid of most of the dichlor/chlorine smell.
Measuring h202 levels: I order 0-100ppm test strips from Indigo.com($15.00 per 50 test strips). I find the 0-400 indicators too hard to read. I put 200ml in a beaker and check if test strip color is over 100ppm. If yes I add 200ml water and measure. If less than 100 ppm color then I know I am between 100 and 200 ppm. I continue adding water in glass beaker at 200ml until color indicates less than 100ppm. If you reach the top of the 1 liter beaker then the result you get on the test strip should be multiplied by 5 (It has been diluted 5 times). If still over 100ppm then I pour out half of this 1 liter and continue adding water at 100ml. If you reach, say 700ml on this second 'batch' then multiply by 7, and so on. After a while you pick up the experience and jump a few steps.

Gretchen said...

Hey, Bill. Your blog is very informative, so I'm hoping you can answer this question. We just filled our 250-gallon hot tub with collected rainwater, and I shocked it with a cup of hydrogen peroxide. Everything on the test strip remained very low, so I kept adding more, 1/4 cup at a time. Now, a few days later, the "sanitizer" level and the pH are up to acceptable levels, but Hardness and Alkalinity remain stubbornly too low. Any recommendations?

Unknown said...

Hi Bill, we have a old fashion cedar hot tub with no filteration system and with a wood stove, our water comes from a well, is there natural solution for our case such as salt, soda, vinegar? Instead of chemicals?

Anonymous said...

We've been using H2O2 since our spa was new (2 years ago) but after a few months, we started getting white flaky tissue like squares. We drained, cleaned the 2 filters, ran water through, drained again, shocked with 2c h2o2 but the flakes keep appearing. Anyone know what it is and how to get rid of it w/o using chlorine? We LOVE the H2o2 other than that- it doesn't smell or foam and the water is clear- just has all those strange squares that circulate around or sit on the bottom. THANKS!

Sanford Staab said...

The white flakes are your filter or plastic parts disintegrating. My spa guy says he loves people that use H2O2 because it increases maintenance bills by 70%.
I used it for about a month and now all my valves are frozen and I went through a bunch of filters trying it.
The water is awesome but plastic tubs can't handle the peroxide.
You need to create a stainless steel tub or maybe a stone/concrete one to be able to handle the H2O2.

bigtfrancis said...

great info, i have been using food grade 35 percent since last year, it is wonderful,soo healthier an option,i use my 82 ft drilled well water and have had no problems whatso ever with algae.2 years before i had closed my hot tub and was going to give it away ,when i decided to try the peroxide technique,.,.cuts my arthritis pain in half,.,.have a wonderful day
Terry

Anonymous said...

Hello I just got a used hotbtun and the previous owners used 25 percent food grade that they got from the home hardware in Cookstown. Come in a 20 liter jug. They were using 2 cups a week I'm a 700 liter tub. What's are your thoughts on this ?

Larry V said...

Hi Bill,

Just have some questions and comments.
First off, my water is from a well. I treat my water with H2O2. That's the water I use in my hotub. I bypass my water softener and put it in the hottub.
i also use water filters from a drinking fountain from work. The water is crystal clear.
I started using H2O2 in my hottub after reading your suggestions.

So far I love it. Now, here comes the questions..

1) I still have to monitor and adjust the Ph, alkalinity and hardness. I currently use the test strip I used for checking my bromine. Are they still accurate when using H2O2? What tendencies will show up when using the H2O2?


I find I am using approx. 3.5 ounces a week of H2O2, is that normal for a 1500 ltr. hottub?

Jesse said...

For anyone wondering what "tissue paper" like flakes are, ITS WHITE MOULD! (FUNGUS). this stuff loves hot tubs and reproduces rapidly and is a pain to remove. Shock your tub with 3x-5x the super shock level and level for 24hrs minimum. I would remove any pillows if possible. and run jets full for 1hr before closing the lid for the remaining 23hrs. Smell the cover and pillows for that musky/mouldy smell and clean with 1/10 bleach solution if they do smell mouldy.

H2O2 doesn't EAT plastics. If that is the case, why do they sell and ship it in Plastic jugs and pails? LOL. I communicated via email with a senior technician at a reputable spa manufacturer. He was very open to discussing alternate sanitizers and he said there are no issues with using moderate levels of H2O2 in hot tubs. They are all made with the same PVC plumbing and acrylic shells. Your best bet is to contact your spa manufacturer and ask for yourself.

The last thing is this. I spoke with peroxysan rep who seemed to be very knowledgeable about these things. Its surprising how many SPA stores and or spa tech claim they are such specialist in these subjects yet they know so little. Anyways, he claimed that fungus can not create or maintain a biofilm to grown in waters with PH of 7.0 or less. So if PH is above 7.0 (7.2-7.8) which is standard for most test strips and recommended by most spa stores/manufactures than you will most likely trigger mold growth.

So PH seems to be a key to people who can maintain H2O2 in their spas. you need to find that sweet spot between maybe 6.8 and 7.0. I would recommend getting a drop test for PH readings. IMO, its easier to read the result than test strips. And for most of us with acrylic plastic tubs PH is not going to instantly corrode your tub. From my understanding, PH range is important for A)people with ceramic tile tubs and B) for chlorine efficiency. So do you want to have your tub sitting at PH 2.0 for 3 months? NO. But will a few days or a week at 6.0-6.5 cause your spa to fall apart? NO.

For PH newbies, IF PH is lower than target run jets with aeration for 30 min-1hr. test again. If PH a) increased to target, stop. b) increased but still lower than target. Try again. As long as you see increase that keep going until target PH reached. c) if PH will not increase, add half the recommend amount of Alkalinity increaser/booster for your tub size and (IMPORTANT) test again 1-2 DAYS later. repeat as needed. TO lower PH, add half to 3/4 the amount PH minus/reducer as directed and (IMPORTANT) test again in 1-2 days. PH adjustments take time. You will be fighting PH/Alkalinity all night and day if you are constantly tweaking it.

And remember, Alkalinity level supports PH levels. Dont listen to the materials that say your Alkalinity level must be XX. No, use Alkalinity to get your required PH level!

Good luck all!

Anonymous said...

Hi all, great informative site! One subject I haven't seen covered is SUNLIGHT I'm presuming most folks have a cover on their hot tub/spa/jacuzzi. I'm down in far SE AZ at 4300' elevation. I have an ancient spa that I'm resurrecting and several years ago had another tub that I just went to the dollar store and bought 6 quarts of HP. Amazing, because medicinal HP is typically only 3-5%. Worked wonderfully for me. I only used it at night, and never had algae, white scum or odor issues. And I'm on my own well, no excessive minerals, hard or soft water issues.
I would think that keeping your cover on is of major importance, that and making sure that there are NO light leaks! Algae needs sunlight to happen!
I also see NO problems using HP even in a new system, as they are made to endure highly corrosive bromide and chlorine, so mostly made of PVC plastics, fiberglass, with pump components made of stainless steel and brass. All of which are immune to the low level concentrations of HP.
Are folks that are having algae issues using their tubs during daylight? Just a thought.

Unknown said...

Bill... I have had to change from chlorine/bromine because of rashes and itches...purchased a unit that converts salt to chlorine and still get the itch.
Today I added a cup of peroxide but waiting till morning before I go in...did not use new water, I know I should have but this is a trial run.
My question is...if the water gets murky...then what?
Pete

Unknown said...

Eco circuit Electric in Kelowna sells food grade peroxide for your hot tub

Unknown said...

It is really hard to have a safe family balancing plan. We are blessed with 2 babies . So we are planning on having that balancing process.

Robert said...

Great post, and great website. Thanks for the information! compare hot tubs

Hectic Life said...

Did anyone figure out how to get rid of the 'white floaty things?' They look like little tiny squares of saltine crackers... REALLY STRANGE= we make sure our swim suits and hair are cleaned in pure water before we get in- only 2 of us using it. The floaties got so bad we haven't used our new jacuzzi in 6 months. Now i just want to get rid of it because i can't use chlorine. The salesman told us the ozonator REPLACED the need for chemicals- that was a lie. Any suggestions?

Wesley Bergman said...

A good experience when I try this idea, it was helpful and relaxing though you can smell the chemicals you put on the tub. Really lessen the expenses and you can get the result that you wanted in having a spa tub. Thank you for sharing this great thoughts of you Bill, very useful. Keep it up!

Sandy Staab said...

This is the blog that never ends.
I have tried H3O in my spa and the water was amazing but my filters clogged up and my plastic valves fused. I may have just used too much but even little amounts seem to greatly reduce my filter life. I wish I could use it but on Sundance spas, I have found it will destroy your hot-tub.

Bobbi said...

I am considering getting a hot tub but the chlorine kills my skin. Love the H2O2 idea but have a well. Is there any way to add just enough chlorine to the water so it mimics municipal water?

Matthew Wiecha said...

This is for"Bobbi"I've used peroxide for 15 years along with water from my well.I don't understand who said you need city,chlorinated water.I think if your well water tests "potable"then you're all set.The point of all this is to get away from chlorine.I can always go a year or more before changing my water.In addition,I add a quarter cup of a monopersulphate every other week(one eg.Canadian Tire"Oxy Sparkle")I got that tip from this site years ago.Good luck.

Unknown said...

Been using 35% food grade for 15 plus years.
Seems to have eaten out pump seals, first time ever over 4 tubs.
Master Spas won't sell you a $10 seal they want to sell you a $500 pump and install it for 250.
I found 100-400 test strips as we do like it bubbly.
My hearing aid doctor said he's never had anybody with ears so clean on every visit. Plus it keeps my hair nice and extra blond.
Right now I'm paying about $180 for 15 gallon drum 35% food grade.
Using the drop therapy my dad cured himself of emphysema at 65 and spent another 18 years putting on over 15,000 miles on his motorcycle.

Unknown said...

Hey Im getting alot of Clacium built up on my tub. Any suggestions. Using the hydrogen peroxide.

Unknown said...

I would like to know this as well, I'm on well water and thought the same way. Just shock it with chlorine first to kill any mold and germs then preceeding with H2O2 and go from there, also using a shock once awk. ?

Unknown said...

So, how do you keep algae out of your spa without shocking it when you have well water or do you just hang your water often using H202?????

Unknown said...

Hi, would you please give me your guide to how you start up your hot tub with HP, we are on well water with softner and a ozone in our spa. Our spa is about 250 gallons. Thxs

Austro Water Tech said...

I enjoyed reading your article :) PLease continue publishing helpful topics like this. Regards, from zero liquid discharge

Anonymous said...

We’ve been using 29 percent as we can’t get 35 percent anymore. Do you think that’s enough?

Anonymous said...

Has anyone who has used for a long time had any issues with it wrecking any hot tub components? Anyone in Alberta do this? This blog is very good. There should be a facebook group for this kind of thing so everyone can pick each others brain with information.

Anonymous said...

http://www.stepbystep.com/Switch-Your-Hot-Tub-to-Hydrogen-Peroxide-172983/
Looks like you've been plagiarized, Bill. Your article has been published here, word for word and posted by "John"
Unless it was used with permission. Although, perhaps you don't care- your article on your blog has garnered 262 comments,
while on Step by Step, 0 comments.

Quenataucus Corner said...

Use 2-3 squirts throughout the day when you get started experiencing signals of congestion. Get more interesting details about hydrogen peroxide on this site.

Unknown said...

Hi Mike, I just switched in October and I have small sharp crystals forming on all surfaces of the hot tub. What might be causing this. We have municipal water and a new filter.
Thanks for any help you can provide!
Janet

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Unknown said...

Hey Mike if you haven't found a supplier for your h202 check out concept Manufacturing in West Kelowna they are located down the road from bylands Nursery close to the roundabout

Unknown said...

Thank you so much for this wealth of information! I have looked at most of the comments and have not seen any information on how you clean your spa filters. Could you please address this?

Unknown said...

Good morning.

A couple questions please.

1. I have bromine in balanced clear tub now. Can i just add 2 cups 35% PS now and continue or do i clean and replace water?

2. Filter cleaning in what solution? How long to soak? Keep in cleaner until replacing in tub? Or clean rinse and dry between switching in tub? Replace every 2 weeks?

Thank you
Mark

Unknown said...

Hello there! How much food grade HP should I add to my 255 gallon hot tub? I assume since this is the first addition, it will be my initial "shock" treatment, right? And then from there I should test the water with HP strips & add accordingly? How much weekly?

Assuming this post board is still active :)

Thank you in advance for your time!
Jennifer

Paulus said...

I have been using 35% food grade h202 in my hot tub for the last approximate 15 years which keeps the water in my 300 gallon tub clear. After an initial re-fill of the tub I add 1 cup of h202, then add one cup for maintenance about every 2 weeks. Initially I used the h202 test strips but don't bother anymore. I also clean the filter about once a month in a 5 gallon container containing hot water. Filters can clog due to debre or oil from our bodies and TSP can help remove the oil from a filter. TSP stands for trisodium phosphate. I pour in 1 cup of TSP mix the TSP into the water and then insert the filter vertically and let it soak for about 30 minutes then flip the filter and soak another 30 minutes. Then I pour out the TSP water on my yard. Next I soak the filter in fresh hot water and add 1 cup of h202 into the 5 gallon pail and insert the filter vertically and let it soak for about 30 minutes then flip the filter and soak another 30 minutes. Then I pour out the h202 water on my yard. The I install the cleaned filter back in the tub. Inevitably the amount of added oxygen in the h202 can clog the filter so I just untighten the filter and release the air bubbles and tighten it back up. It may be necessary to do this for the first day or so after exposing the filter to so much h202. At least you have eliminated the bacteria from the filter and the tub and don't have to deal with the toxicity of chlorine or bromide or all the other chemicals that are put into a tub.

Anonymous said...

Have a kookykrazy idea. Would love to know thoughts... So I bought the SatronMini. I can smell that something is working. Light chlorine smell. But water is cloudy and not appealing. I don't want to deal with ph and alkalinity and whatever else. So my kooky thought - Could I just attach a shower head filter to my pump? Wouldn't that work, too? They sell them now with interchangeable filters and they filter just about everything out of the water. Our spa is only 160 gallons. Not much. Any thoughts on this? Thanks.

Unknown said...

For anyone reading this blog recently (2022 and beyond):
Chlorine is neutralized by HP. The opposite is also true so they cannot be used together.
Copper/silver ions will catalyze the HP causing it to release O2 and the HP level woll drop to zero.
Hardest hot tub infections to cure are in the pipes and scum will be protected by a bio-film. If you are having issues get a commercial hot tub pipe cleaning kit and follow instructions.
I keep my HP levels at around 200 because at 50 it's too easy to hit zero and end up with cloudy water that takes LOTS of HP to cure.

Unknown said...

we have been using H2O2 for years but recently after clanging the tub and going back to H2O2 we are gettgin the hit tub rash? yet or test strips are well into the black past dark blue - what shall we do? one post said add cline to shock it?

Kathy said...

Have you ever experienced cloudy, slimy water in your hot tub? It happens quite a bit with ours actually. We shock it with bleach then leave it a couple days then add hydrogen peroxide. It is getting quite frustrating not knowing what we’re doing wrong. I change the filter every month and the tub is only used by myself.

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Matthew Wiecha said...

I've used my well water and/or pond water(through a filter and UV light) for almost 25 years and no issues plus the odd monopersulphate shock. So,to anyone wanting to go the peroxide route don't be discouraged by the comments that it can't be done.

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